August 3, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Outside the Library
At the Dining Hall
Outside the New Campus Hostel
Outside the Canteen
Entry filed under: In General. Tags: campus, gender, gender sensitivity, spaces.
TISS Talks Found
NAVANEETA MAJUMDER | August 5, 2008 at 4:14 am
this world is getting unsafer day by day. u just cant walk around freely with total control over your body. this situation becomes very suffocating and unbearable for all the girls. staring, eve teasing, molesting are most common on roads now a days. is it a crime on our parts that we have been born a girl? do we have to suffer this gender discrimination throughout our life? cant we do certain things to change our condition? certainly we can do, we have to stand up for our free mobility and independence to do, wear and think whatever we like.
I HOPE ALL OF US WILL STAND TOGETHER FOR THE CAUSE AND WILL FIGHT IT.
Mary | August 5, 2008 at 4:29 am
TISS is the place to start with , Before we go asking the world these questions we Tissians have to answer them. With my own experiences i know that TISS is still very sexist, I hope this initiave can help us to look within rather than ridicule those who have started it. Great work
Shikha Lakhanpal | August 5, 2008 at 5:15 am
hmm…and we all know of one prof who keeps staring at the boobs ALL the time..wat abt “educating” our educators ? i wish the faculty wud be involved in this too..
Dr Khandare | August 5, 2008 at 3:29 pm
The females should have proper dress code.And if they wana to expose they should not fill shy if anyone staressssssssss at them. Dont take in the wrong way.
THERE ARE MANY ISSUES IN THE SOCIETY THAN WHAT IS SHOWING ON THE POSTERS OUTSIDE THE CANTEEN.
sporadicblogger | August 5, 2008 at 7:02 pm
There was an article in the Hindu many months back, reacting to the Delhi Police Handbook for (girl) students from the North East. It ended with a set of instructions for women. Let me quote an extract-
Don’t go without clothes (It provokes men)
Don’t go with clothes (because some clothes provoke some men)
Avoid childhood (because children excite some men)
Avoid old age (because it excites some men)
Ujithra | August 6, 2008 at 11:54 am
Dr Kandare: Sir would you be kind enough to elaborate the ‘dress code’ which you refer to. A possible one for you could be the one by the Delhi Police I suppose. The feeling is of being violated and not of being shy. Diluting or belittling the issue raised on the pretext that there are numerous other issues in the society is defeatist. I know subjectivity is much valorized in a liberal society, but do not use the same freedom to place yourself at a moral high ground.
shreya | August 6, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I think using the word ‘females’ reduces women to their biology. also if one were to reflect on the word ‘expose’, the term alludes to showing more than what is acceptable…the question here is,who decides what is acceptable and where to draw the line?
sonali | August 6, 2008 at 6:08 pm
really, what do you mean by “proper dress code?” jeans, t-shirts, tank tops, salwar-kameezes, sarees? i have had men staring at my breasts when i have worn all of these on various occasions. pray, tell me, where did i go wrong?
anwesha | August 6, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Well doctor why should anyone stare at their boobs or cleavages..if u think there are other issues more important than the poster stuck outside the dh or canteen then aren’t there other objects,pictures,art,nature etc to stare at???please answer me…
Varun (HRM) | August 8, 2008 at 7:49 pm
All I can say is that even if women are fully clothed, you can never be sure if a man is “distracted” or not..as my buddies joke after coupla rounds of beer, its better to see a fully clothed katirna kaif than some hollywood wannabe in a mini skirt..!!! So, this concept of “dress code” can never work..!!!!
I would also request all of us not to personalize this whole thing….we spoke abt the professor….isnt he a man ??!!! Just because he is a professor, why is he seen in a more moralistic manner than your closest buddy who also stares at your breats ??!!! Use the same broomstick for all, dont assasinate people just because they hold a position of higher degree, finally they are humans with the same vices n traits…!!!
Ujithra | August 8, 2008 at 8:23 pm
The satisfaction of you and your friends interests post a couple of drinks will not be the judge of the workability of ‘dress code’, I am afraid. The fact that a dress code is imposed is being critiqued and not if it manages to satisfy your gaze. Can’t believe we are still discussing the viability of a possible ‘dress code’, clearly the point has not been driven home.
It is true that a person should not be judged by his academic credentials but the least to accept from a professor teaching in TISS is a level of gender sensitivity. I am amazed I have to clarify this. Your reductionist approach and wanting to relate to everyone on a human level is much appreciated. Though, correct me if I am wrong isn’t the point to improve and not be escapist and say we are humans so let us coexist in our chauvinism.
Varun | August 9, 2008 at 7:20 am
Firstly, about the dress code..it sucks…period.!! It shall never work…
Coming to the more complex issue of the “professor”, I got some clarifications today that this behavior was actually depicted in his classes and his day to day interaction. Now this is something I wasnt aware of when I posted earlier…so I would like to apologise for that and take that comment back..!!
All I am saying is dont vilify him for his behavior on the street any more than you would vilify your closest guy buddy…but yes, if he harasses women on campus, then he has to be taken to task and I completely support that and would be happy to provide support of any kind towards that..!!
Hope I made myself clear this time….( pheww…!!)
shall i reveal | August 11, 2008 at 5:43 pm
well….lotta views around TISS..wonder when dis dress code issue would be ultimately resolved n we wud see gals in campur with so called ‘dress code’…now coming to other side of coin…do u thin if one boy wears a VEST n enters DH…we all (inclding all) i mean would allow him to do so?
Varun (HRM) | August 12, 2008 at 3:40 pm
I would actually allow him….I mean there are so many guys in DH with the sporty “banyaans”…we never object to them….!!!!
But I dont see the relevance of this to the topic of sexual harassment..!!!
shall i reveal | August 12, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Varun…did i hear u correct!!! Well, if u have actually seen a guy with his VESTS in DH…i pity myself of not being with you…then and there…n wudn’t have made such a comment!! no harm intended to you or the person who wore d vest to DH. By the way …r u in new campus?
Varun (HRM) | August 13, 2008 at 7:12 pm
naa…I have seen guys often come directly out of the baddy court/gym in their shorts and banyaans ( sporty ones..!!) to thw DH for a cup of tea/breakfast/lunch….no one minds them I guess…but one should see the difference when some gals stroll in for dinner in their pink pajamas/nightsuits…!!!! ( again just an example..not targetting any perticular person..!!!)
shall i reveal | August 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm
well i agree with u….n hv u thought wot a gal might think of it …or whether some of them are comfortable with it…v never asked them…n we go on writing volumes on wot a boy wud do in such a situation…lemme tell u..if there r 10 boys looking at that gal (with the atires u mentoned) than there are 10 more who r not looking. But u r generalizing for the person whoz sitting next to u n might be he is quite harmless…n ur commnets is making d gap wider…try to close dat
Varun (HRM) | August 15, 2008 at 2:00 am
@shall I reveal, The context here is what a woman feels and not what a man feels like ( Im not a sexist, but if we mix up these 2 mindsets, then we are going nowhere..!!!)
You say “he is quite harmless”, now who are we to decide whether “we are harmless” or not….how can a perpetrator decide whether his actions are harmless or not..yes if the pajama clad girl says that she finds 10 guys gawking at her pink pajamas harmless, then I shall be satisfied…but we guys cant label that this is harmless and this is not….thats where the gender sensitivity comes in…there are some things where we need to keep space how much ever close we may claim to be with that lady..!!!
Unless, we accept that there already exists a gap, how can we address the issue itself ??
shall i reveal | August 15, 2008 at 4:52 pm
@ varun…so you agree that at the end of the day it boils down to the point that any action either it is offensive or not would be decided by a gal…n if they feel a action which was considered harmless till dan a very offensive one we agian start educating ppls that …hey!!! ders a new item in the list and u r not supposed to do that…mind you! Till dan take care…soon we wud meet ven another action is termed as otracious!!!!
Ankur | August 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm
i feel there is no difference btw a man n woman apart frm biological facts(d genitals).. bt socialization has created wonders by actually forming gaps btw d two…
we can address d issue by respecting abt individual’s perspective, opinion n choices, n nt everytime discussing d fact dat d individual is a boy or a girl..we need to work on reducing this gap…
Varun (HRM) | August 16, 2008 at 1:49 am
Yes, Ankur I absolutely agree that we need to work on reducing the gap…but for that, we all need to acknowledge that there exists a gap..!!!!
Yes, there is one thing called sex and the other is gender…sex is about genitals but gender is more about the social conditioning, and with a conditioning of over 150 years, it is a big challenge to undo the conditioning…all we can do is educate our kids and hopefully the next coming generations shall be living in a less crime world..!!
shall i reveal | August 16, 2008 at 7:49 am
VARUN…my comments on AUg 14th////actually agrees and recognizes that there is a gap…just wanted to highlight that for u again….
Ankur | August 16, 2008 at 2:56 pm
we can start frm this generation too….:)
salman | August 17, 2008 at 6:40 am
this forum itself is biassed at first,,,,,,why all the opinions have deleteddd…it stupidity to maintain such forummmm…..when u r deleting wats the prupose… named tiss talks…u kept what u like in the forum…this is too much..we will never participate in any discussion further more………
we never thought this could happen
salman | August 17, 2008 at 6:41 am
this is free talk forum,,,,either good r bad can be talked here…so biass is right here… womens rights comes next
salman | August 17, 2008 at 6:42 am
we never going to participate in any discussion again..its all waste of time…
so bad experience in tiss
tisstalks | August 17, 2008 at 12:33 pm
TISSTalks is seen to be a blog, created for the sake of expressing and exchanging opinions for the purpose of discussion. Your comment ‘Hiiii!!!!’ was seen to be more of a greeting than an opinion and this was the reason why your comment had to be deleted. We are sorry for the inconvenience caused if any. Do continue visiting TISSTalks. We welcome your future opinions.
salman | August 17, 2008 at 12:38 pm
they keep all alike minded persons and feministic ideas in the forum.u deleted all others…u might have seen the amount of diversity in student participation. its very less…. all u people blogging with different names.we dont understand whats the reason behind the act.but never going to participate again..u all like minded ppl meet in the lounge …bye
gaurav | August 17, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Varun (HRM) | August 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Is there a moderator here who can take care of these issues ??
I fear genuine bloggers in this forum might get disheartened by the miscreants.
I thought the same comment cannot be typed exactly as it is ..( orkut gives an error saying” text posted is too similar”), dint know wordpress does not have this facililty, anyways the moderators should take care of these issues..!!
shall i reveal? | August 17, 2008 at 3:02 pm
IS IT TRUE THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY FELLOW STUDENTS ARE BEING DELETED….ANY1 …PLEASE CLARIFY? I UNDERSTAND if A SIMPLE POST OF “HI” IS DELETED …THAT IS FINE…BUT…???
tisstalks | August 17, 2008 at 4:23 pm
As we have stated earlier and are clarifying again, the only comment which has been deleted is a greeting (Hiiii!!!). Such a procedure will be followed even in the future. Opinions are welcome and will not be screened. The purpose of TISSTalks is to facilitate the exchange of opinions (as has been repeatedly stated earlier) and it is our policy neither to censor nor moderate any opinion expressed here in this blog. We would like Salman/Gaurav to clarify which of his comments that he believes that we have deleted and what was the content of those comments.
shall i reveal? | August 18, 2008 at 1:39 am
thanks for the clarification….i wud be able to participate with full heart and satisfaction…thanks again my TISSians from TISStalks
Varun (HRM) | August 18, 2008 at 7:46 am
Thanks Tisstalks….can we also delete duplicate comments ??!!
confused | September 4, 2008 at 5:40 pm
may be am a little confused to be real am a lot confused, the day i arrived here i get to listen words like’sexist comments’ etc, but ifeel commments to be declared sexist are quite subjective and no hype is to be made out of it. and we being tisians are all equals. i dont understand were arises gender diffrences
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